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The urban yuppie aesthetic of the late-80's to mid-90's isn't discussed much

there doesn't seem to be all that much NOSTALGIA for this wh...
Hemidemisummerpumo
  02/20/18
not sure if it was contained to just yuppies - a lot of ads ...
MAF speak-and-spell retard
  02/20/18
no, it was all over the place, but it emerged from efforts t...
Hemidemisummerpumo
  02/20/18
Excellent post, and I get what you're getting at, but it's h...
How to derive an aut from an ism
  02/21/18
matthew modine had a classic late 80s- early 90s soft yuppie...
Judas Jones
  02/21/18
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Heights_(film) The ...
How to derive an aut from an ism
  02/22/18
cr
Judas Jones
  02/22/18
cr. a ruthless prole terrorizes two hapless new money dorks
Nash-Mo
  07/25/18
lots of songs with pan-flute synths. I MUST GO THERE! TO F...
quort shotemo
  02/21/18
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prole redhead with heaving breasts
  02/22/18
dances with wolves too
.,.,,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:;:,...,:,.,.:..:.,:.::,.
  02/22/18
Is this related to the rise of starbucks and other premium c...
Krampusnacht
  02/21/18
yeah, and the reason there is no nostalgia is same reason fr...
nihilist star wars
  02/22/18
Never seen anyone shit on Frasier
state your IQ before I engage you further
  02/22/18
https://www.salon.com/2014/05/13/the_tenth_anniversary_of_fr...
nihilist star wars
  02/22/18
steez, askav -- pls respond
ck one
  03/01/18
wholly shit. stopped reading and threw my touchpad out ...
deus vult
  03/01/18
lol, titcr, except the part about goys/jews. Plenty of jews ...
LathamTouchedMe
  03/01/18
>> I actually think Frasier holds up a lot better than...
Baron Mark von Ironside
  03/01/18
sure, plenty of jews watched frasier. but it doesnt resonate...
deus vult
  03/01/18
"but it has little appeal for those who would use it as...
LathamTouchedMe
  03/01/18
It's possible for Jews to watch and enjoy Frasier, just as J...
marshall mathers
  03/02/18
Excellent post. I don't have much to add other than I was a ...
ggtp
  02/21/18
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Poast Malone
  02/22/18
https://i.imgur.com/NqmBE9t.jpg
nihilist star wars
  02/22/18
Nirvana killed it
average/ordinary/typical citizen/person
  02/22/18
Per below it was Nirvana plus MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice ----...
.....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,;
  02/22/18
i associate this with the rise of computer assisted graphic ...
hurricane sandeep
  02/22/18
This was almost definitely definitely a factor
How to derive an aut from an ism
  02/22/18
my aunt was a prole version of this, loved smooth jazz, sout...
nihilist star wars
  02/22/18
This was an era of sade and twin peaks and people's furnitur...
End Road Work
  02/22/18
the whole thing had a laid-back nebulously french or at leas...
hurricane sandeep
  02/22/18
Then Rodney king, for sure, and rap/hiphop just got harder...
End Road Work
  02/22/18
It's weird how distinct eras could come and go so quickly ba...
cannon
  02/22/18
"There was also a very short club music scene with deep...
alias.php
  03/02/18
is new jack swing and italo inspired black disco music inclu...
nihilist star wars
  02/22/18
...
hurricane sandeep
  02/22/18
love the inclusion of former 90210 star Jamie Walters, who i...
Baron Mark von Ironside
  02/22/18
Would you say Clark Griswold’s neighbors in CHRISTMAS VACATI...
An alpha male strutting through your high school
  02/22/18
ty for this tasty sweet treat.
slimp
  02/22/18
in clothing, it seems to have been peak infuence for The Gap...
ck one
  02/22/18
TCR. I recall very tame "western" style (using tur...
.,.,,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:;:,...,:,.,.:..:.,:.::,.
  02/22/18
how is the show friends not mentioned once ITT
.,.,....,.,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,....,:,.,.:...,:.::,
  02/22/18
Friends is solidly mid-90s to late-90s. It came in at the ve...
ck one
  02/22/18
cr. more of a "baggy ribbed sweater with a single chest...
slimp
  02/22/18
early chandler probably fit the aesthetic, with his flowy ha...
Judas Jones
  02/22/18
Vests, too
.,.,,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:;:,...,:,.,.:..:.,:.::,.
  02/22/18
yeah, that's what i meant. IIRC, he wore the button up vests...
Judas Jones
  02/22/18
https://mygoldandsilverbeauty.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/aw...
Judas Jones
  02/22/18
180 this style is due to come back around on the fashion car...
hurricane sandeep
  03/01/18
Obviously the novel American Psycho critiques this period/cu...
Martin Prince
  02/22/18
I also picture more New Wave music, like Talking Heads, than...
Martin Prince
  02/22/18
this was a more generic, less hip type of yuppie. almost a b...
Judas Jones
  02/22/18
new wave and the 80's yuppie aesthetic was a bit before this...
Hemidemisummerpumo
  02/22/18
"vaguely comforting, vaguely 'sophisticated,' suitable ...
ck one
  02/22/18
No, AP is squarely in the late-mid 80s; I don't think it rea...
How to derive an aut from an ism
  02/22/18
AP is about the real NYC culture that begat a lot of what OP...
.,.,,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:;:,...,:,.,.:..:.,:.::,.
  02/22/18
So NYC yuppies had JJC-wet-dream finance jobs, listened to g...
Martin Prince
  02/22/18
More like people in the suburbs generally started to more em...
.,.,,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:;:,...,:,.,.:..:.,:.::,.
  02/22/18
you got it; BUT, before the hyperstratification of the 2000s...
ck one
  02/22/18
There's some real scholarship happening in this thread. ...
Martin Prince
  02/22/18
'Lexus' cars came out of this whenever i think of that peri...
,,,,,,^
  02/22/18
https://youtu.be/AktHnnA9QIM
Baron Mark von Ironside
  02/22/18
I seem to recall a lot of sweater vests and curtain style ha...
bigeastboy
  02/22/18
You forgot about Michael Bolton! Also John Tesh and his radi...
.,.,,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:;:,...,:,.,.:..:.,:.::,.
  02/22/18
that's a good description
hurricane sandeep
  03/01/18
isn't this exactly what got remixed into vaporwave / city-wa...
gaggle of IvyLeaguers from a Aaron Sorkin script
  02/22/18
really miss these ranging HDSP discursions with liberal use ...
hurricane sandeep
  03/01/18
The “softer side of Sears” commercials were geared towards t...
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  03/01/18
dont worry i realized there IS one momentary peak to encapsu...
deus vult
  03/01/18
i'd say that one of the important way-markers in the develop...
Hemidemisummerpumo
  03/01/18
...
hurricane sandeep
  03/02/18
The tv show thirtysomething (1987-1991) exists around this c...
alias.php
  03/02/18
is "the king of wishful thinking" a part of this? ...
marshall mathers
  03/02/18
Yes, also In a Big Country
gedood persoon
  03/02/18
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Judas Jones
  03/02/18
that's yacht rock
hurricane sandeep
  03/02/18
As mentioned already, this is the vaporwave aesthetic. Not t...
Sickly argumentative UES Jew in puffy jacket
  03/02/18
Lots of glass blocks http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id...
bowlcut autist
  03/02/18
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pulchritudinous succubi
  03/26/18
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marshall mathers
  07/25/18
I knew of some yuppies who had a Saab with the vanity plate ...
Coriolanus
  07/25/18
INFINITI ads with Jonathan Pryce, suave and highbrow as FUCK...
Buck "The Club" Paulette
  07/25/18


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Date: February 20th, 2018 11:51 PM
Author: Hemidemisummerpumo

there doesn't seem to be all that much NOSTALGIA for this whole aesthetic, even though it was big for a while and had a lot of money behind it. by this, i'm talking about the whole cultural complex of smooth jazz/soft rock, media/TV shows, and marketing campaigns focused at the sub-elite urban/suburban striver-class during that era. i'd say the aesthetic began to coalesce toward the end of the 1980's, and was on its way out by late-1995/early-1996, as pop music became more electronic and the internet bubble expanded.

it's kind of difficult to find examples to use as "platonic forms" of this stuff, since it was kind of diffuse and tended to lack an aesthetic core. it was more like a mood - slightly anesthetized, inoffensive, clean, meant to slide easily into the background so that you could focus on your work. this print ad captures some of the spirit:

https://i.imgur.com/xBkE4BK.jpg

notice how there really IS no background here - there appears to be a hill or something to the right, across some indistinct waters, but those features have been smoothed out so that they become a texture rather than a landscape. the calm coloration and vague nature theme recalls the commercial form of the "new age" aesthetic popular at the time.

the music was similar, which is perhaps why most of it has vanished from the cultural imagination. it included songs like "house of stone and light," musicians like kenny g and enigma, and lots of landscape imagery of beaches or places other than your office:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upJxt64uRWg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_VcZsax4Z0

this music tended to DALLY with other styles (like R&B or rock) without actually BEING them. eg, the use of R&B or jazz-style horns but within the general idiom of the style:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS2Hp9Ck9mQ

or "bluesy" guitar lines:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_QGJE94iOM

TV media included shows like murphy brown, mad about you, and a variety of long-forgotten adult-oriented drama series like "homefront" or "midnight caller."

i feel like this whole cultural epoch was more important than we assume - this stuff was a sort of distilled, syncretized expression of a culture for people whose deracination meant that they had lost their own.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35449979)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 11:52 PM
Author: MAF speak-and-spell retard (u$po)

not sure if it was contained to just yuppies - a lot of ads back then generally looked like that. very clean aesthetic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35449983)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 11:54 PM
Author: Hemidemisummerpumo

no, it was all over the place, but it emerged from efforts to market to these high-value yuppies with their busy worklives and disposable incomes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35449995)



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Date: February 21st, 2018 8:58 PM
Author: How to derive an aut from an ism

Excellent post, and I get what you're getting at, but it's hard to encapsulate, as you suggested.

I think this was also reflected in early 90s movies, rife with bland nonthreatening performers like Kevin Kline, Andie McDowell, Alec Baldwin (before the bloated scumbag phase), Matthew Modine, et al

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35456541)



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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:49 PM
Author: Judas Jones

matthew modine had a classic late 80s- early 90s soft yuppie aesthetic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35457586)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:51 PM
Author: How to derive an aut from an ism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Heights_(film)

The quintessential *yuppie* suspense movie

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35461040)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 1:01 PM
Author: Judas Jones

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35461092)



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Date: July 25th, 2018 9:20 PM
Author: Nash-Mo (boicel)

cr. a ruthless prole terrorizes two hapless new money dorks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#36497357)



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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:18 PM
Author: quort shotemo

lots of songs with pan-flute synths. I MUST GO THERE! TO FIND MY SOUL, YEAH!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35457273)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:59 PM
Author: prole redhead with heaving breasts



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35461079)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 5:23 PM
Author: .,.,,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:;:,...,:,.,.:..:.,:.::,.


dances with wolves too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35463526)



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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:43 PM
Author: Krampusnacht

Is this related to the rise of starbucks and other premium coffee beverages?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35457524)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 1:00 PM
Author: nihilist star wars

yeah, and the reason there is no nostalgia is same reason frasier is kind of shit on by millennials. its embarrassing for them to admit their tastes are really just slight progressions from what their lame ass yuppy parents were into. frasier reminds them too much of themselves and get offended at their pomposity being made fun of

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35461089)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 5:33 PM
Author: state your IQ before I engage you further

Never seen anyone shit on Frasier

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35463620)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 5:54 PM
Author: nihilist star wars

https://www.salon.com/2014/05/13/the_tenth_anniversary_of_frasier_proves_the_limits_of_internet_nostalgia/

http://theweek.com/articles/446771/how-frasier-became-most-nostalgiaproof-tv-show-90s

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35463836)



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Date: March 1st, 2018 3:39 PM
Author: ck one

steez, askav -- pls respond

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35515664)



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Date: March 1st, 2018 3:56 PM
Author: deus vult (from constantinople to the stars)

wholly shit.

stopped reading and threw my touchpad out of a 27th story window (its ok) when the second one started quoting the first one about Frasier not being "unique" compared to fucking FRIENDS.

here's the real answer: frasier's fans are neither 1) the birdbrains who make nostalgia pinterestcupcaketampons for friends or 2) the (((people))) who retcon cultural history to serve whatever their current shtick happens to be; they are straight(ish), male, goy intellectuals.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35515748)



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Date: March 1st, 2018 4:04 PM
Author: LathamTouchedMe

lol, titcr, except the part about goys/jews. Plenty of jews like(d) frasier. Those articles are bs. Obviously the target audience for frasier is smaller and older than for Friends. I actually think Frasier holds up a lot better than even Seinfeld.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35515793)



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Date: March 1st, 2018 4:04 PM
Author: Baron Mark von Ironside

>> I actually think Frasier holds up a lot better than even Seinfeld. <<

(antisemite)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35515799)



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Date: March 1st, 2018 4:12 PM
Author: deus vult (from constantinople to the stars)

sure, plenty of jews watched frasier. but it doesnt resonate in the jewish soul the way seinfeld does. (seinfeld's the "the inexorable triumph of banal, amoral soullessness in a modern society of rootless cosmopolitans" IS jewish soul, such as it is)

but it has little appeal for those who would use it as a prop for the narrative. ie, nobody besides askav is posting hot takes about frasier or the importance of its unexpected renaissance in 2018/continuing moral relevance/profound aesthetic achievement that until now has gone unnoticed/etc.

clearly it would be absurd to say its dated in the way that murphy brown or mad about you are dated (because they always sucked).

edit: see further explanation of frasier's goy audience; its the dog that doesnt bark more than anything

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35515850)



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Date: March 1st, 2018 4:22 PM
Author: LathamTouchedMe

"but it has little appeal for those who would use it as a prop for the narrative."

True, but that has nothing to do with jewish people. The people who write those articles are young hipster losers who make $26k. These types are actually parodied on Frasier (zoey deschanel played one of them I think; she's a pretentious know-it-all hipster who shits on everything and is the station manager's niece visiting seattle). The show is timeless for professional intellectual types who came from middle or working class families. I know plenty of jews like that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35515918)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 10:22 AM
Author: marshall mathers (askav)

It's possible for Jews to watch and enjoy Frasier, just as Jews watch and enjoy, say, basketball. An object of anthropological significance or fascination. And while Frasier may bear superficially greater resemblance to the lived Jewish experience than does Bronx hooping, in the final analysis I think it can be demonstrated that Frasier welcomes Jewishness about as well as Julio welcomes Paul Simon down by the schoolyard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35519782)



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Date: February 21st, 2018 10:57 PM
Author: ggtp (ggtp)

Excellent post. I don't have much to add other than I was a kid then and thought all this shit sucked. As an adult, I feel the same

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35457656)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 5:05 PM
Author: Poast Malone



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35463357)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:57 PM
Author: nihilist star wars

https://i.imgur.com/NqmBE9t.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35461070)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 12:58 PM
Author: average/ordinary/typical citizen/person

Nirvana killed it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35461075)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 5:46 PM
Author: .....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,;


Per below it was Nirvana plus MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice ----> The Chronic in the span of about 18 months. This whole thread is about the hold over late 80s vibe that was this Cosby-induced delusion that affluence and post-racialism was the future, all while the inner cities were awash in crack and murder rates were spiking to an insane degree. Places not far from the Village in the early 90s were literally open air shooting galleries, but in Friends everyone was white and sipping espresso.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35463742)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 1:00 PM
Author: hurricane sandeep

i associate this with the rise of computer assisted graphic design

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35461088)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 1:08 PM
Author: How to derive an aut from an ism

This was almost definitely definitely a factor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35461174)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 1:01 PM
Author: nihilist star wars

my aunt was a prole version of this, loved smooth jazz, south western motif and had cutout pictures of playgirl and chippendale buff studs at her work station.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35461097)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 1:03 PM
Author: End Road Work

This was an era of sade and twin peaks and people's furniture was black and white and heavily lacquered. People owned fishtanks and waterbeds.

There was also a very short club music scene with deep voiced black female singers, and that was all gone by 1995.

I liked this surreal era. No idea how it just evaporated

But this is also American psycho era so we've not forgotten it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35461111)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 1:13 PM
Author: hurricane sandeep

the whole thing had a laid-back nebulously french or at least european vibe, like everyone was fashionable, sophisticated, listening to soulful but tastefully nonchalant music. it was a time of great cultural confidence. despite rodney king, it felt in adult pop culture there was a detente in race relations. then various forms of disaffection broke out of their subcultures into the mainstream, principally through music

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35461246)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 1:22 PM
Author: End Road Work

Then Rodney king, for sure, and rap/hiphop just got harder.

There was a huge black influence, not just in music and TV but also in fashion. White people wore cross colours https://goo.gl/images/sN6XCB

And watched the NBA. Popular music was boys II men and en vogue. This was slightly past Whitney Houston popularity but blacks were still white washed but influential

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35461348)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 1:25 PM
Author: cannon

It's weird how distinct eras could come and go so quickly back then but that never happens anymore

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35461382)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 10:12 AM
Author: alias.php

"There was also a very short club music scene with deep voiced black female singers, and that was all gone by 1995."

You mean Grace Jones? She's great.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35519732)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 1:06 PM
Author: nihilist star wars

is new jack swing and italo inspired black disco music included in this. shit like

black box

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdwGJTxnSQI

or chiller stuff like des'ree

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ6lk3XRp8c

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35461144)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 2:45 PM
Author: hurricane sandeep



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35462129)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 1:11 PM
Author: Baron Mark von Ironside

love the inclusion of former 90210 star Jamie Walters, who is now a firefighter/EMT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35461213)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 3:31 PM
Author: An alpha male strutting through your high school

Would you say Clark Griswold’s neighbors in CHRISTMAS VACATION embody this aesthetic?

How about DONNA in the later seasons of Halt and Catch Fire?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35462480)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 3:31 PM
Author: slimp

ty for this tasty sweet treat.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35462482)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 3:57 PM
Author: ck one

in clothing, it seems to have been peak infuence for The Gap, which was really high quality buckwild running shit then.

in interior design, it seems to be a streamlined version and logical conclusion of richard gere's office scenes in pretty woman, a takeoff on business grey. Soft, pastel pinks. The silvers and golds as trim. Thin leaf plants, either real or fake. Dads office had all of that, it was a really comfortable room&#65279;.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35462738)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 5:07 PM
Author: .,.,,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:;:,...,:,.,.:..:.,:.::,.


TCR. I recall very tame "western" style (using turquoise color, dusty pinks, etc.,but with a touch of Memphis school design, and combined with fake sort of stone vases that were sprayed for texture) having a bit of a moment too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35463377)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 3:59 PM
Author: .,.,....,.,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,....,:,.,.:...,:.::, (big dog)


how is the show friends not mentioned once ITT



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35462756)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 4:00 PM
Author: ck one

Friends is solidly mid-90s to late-90s. It came in at the very end of the trend discussed in the OP.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35462774)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 4:01 PM
Author: slimp

cr. more of a "baggy ribbed sweater with a single chest stripe" type scene.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35462790)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 4:43 PM
Author: Judas Jones

early chandler probably fit the aesthetic, with his flowy hair and baggy ribbed cardigans

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35463179)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 5:07 PM
Author: .,.,,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:;:,...,:,.,.:..:.,:.::,.


Vests, too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35463380)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 5:19 PM
Author: Judas Jones

yeah, that's what i meant. IIRC, he wore the button up vests, fully unbuttoned, with some sort of billowy shirt underneath

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35463494)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 5:23 PM
Author: Judas Jones

https://mygoldandsilverbeauty.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/aww1.png

https://78.media.tumblr.com/0ac0eb1006fd5705bb37ff54c054bea2/tumblr_opaq4tU3rb1w320ago4_500.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35463528)



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Date: March 1st, 2018 5:41 PM
Author: hurricane sandeep

180 this style is due to come back around on the fashion carousel. Maybe Odell Beckham can revive it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35516434)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 4:09 PM
Author: Martin Prince (ETH tip jar: 0xB6BC7b257E294f49fAB12Fe1C2C499Be9315725B)

Obviously the novel American Psycho critiques this period/culture through extreme hyperbole, but I think it captures that zeitgeist really well. Yuppies making a ton of money in finance, partying hard, caring a great deal about their appearance and clothing, and the rise of ultra-trendy restaurants and food where the entire meal seems like an amuse-bouche.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35462866)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 4:40 PM
Author: Martin Prince (ETH tip jar: 0xB6BC7b257E294f49fAB12Fe1C2C499Be9315725B)

I also picture more New Wave music, like Talking Heads, than smooth jazz and the other music mentioned ITT.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35463146)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: Judas Jones

this was a more generic, less hip type of yuppie. almost a bit suburban in their tastes. talking heads might have been too cool for them, and too early.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35463170)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 5:07 PM
Author: Hemidemisummerpumo

new wave and the 80's yuppie aesthetic was a bit before this epoch. that scene probably peaked around 1985. around then, there was a band called "Nu Shooz," which began as an actual 12-piece band in the late-70's, but adopted synths and sampling technology to create an extremely streamlined and slick version of "dance music" in the mid-80's:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ1tBVtYOBc

this song was an early progenitor of this whole early-90's aesthetic - it managed to "sand down" the irregularities and peculiar tones of a genre like 80's freestyle/R&B into a more generic product. critics at the time wondered if the song had been generated by computers.

if we follow this trend, we end up with albums like "Dollars and Sex" (1991) by the English band The Escape Club. they had a late-80's hit with "Wild Wild West," but their follow-up album was pure smoothed-down aging yuppie bait:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9mEYZxkDsM

notice how the album's "rock" song is not really a rock song at all, but more like a generic regurgitation of all these aesthetic themes on "rock" mode:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV7RJXLwTvA

a lot of bands released singles in this mode during this era. here's "love at first sight" by styx:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6oUbKRok6o

notice how it sounds like a digested and reformatted version of their "real" music. and yet, i don't think the genre was "fake" in the sense of something fraudulent; i think it had its own interior logic - to be vaguely comforting, vaguely 'sophisticated,' suitable for polite company, and, somehow, not TOO memorable - keep things out of the foreground of memory; act more like a blanket. and there was a lot of emotional "demand" for this stuff at that time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35463379)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 5:21 PM
Author: ck one

"vaguely comforting, vaguely 'sophisticated,' suitable for polite company, and, somehow, not TOO memorable - keep things out of the foreground of memory; act more like a blanket." this description is literally advice for being a con man, such as what brad pitt told matt damon in ocean's eleven

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35463503)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: How to derive an aut from an ism

No, AP is squarely in the late-mid 80s; I don't think it really captures what OP has in mind

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35463246)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 5:04 PM
Author: .,.,,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:;:,...,:,.,.:..:.,:.::,.


AP is about the real NYC culture that begat a lot of what OP is talking about in the rest of the country.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35463348)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 5:18 PM
Author: Martin Prince (ETH tip jar: 0xB6BC7b257E294f49fAB12Fe1C2C499Be9315725B)

So NYC yuppies had JJC-wet-dream finance jobs, listened to good New Wave, and ate at trendy restaurants; then, 5 years later, this culture trickled down to the rest of the country (but in provincial form) and yuppies in Cincinnati tried to emulate that culture but instead listened to horrible Kenny G shit and wore their baggy cardigans to Fudruckers for what they called "power meetings"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35463485)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 5:21 PM
Author: .,.,,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:;:,...,:,.,.:..:.,:.::,.


More like people in the suburbs generally started to more emulate what was going on in the cities. It was trickle down and it took way, way longer to trickle down in the pre-Internet era.

But definitely people in the burbs became more interested in modern art, dance music, and dining trends during this time period. Just like how in the mid-2000's suburbs started to Brooklyn-ify with gastropubs and shit everywhere.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35463508)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 5:23 PM
Author: ck one

you got it; BUT, before the hyperstratification of the 2000s, cleveland (and the rest of non-coastal, Real America) was vastly downmarket from New York City by aesthetic TASTE, but not by purchasing power; it was a lot more prole than MFH in the colors it chose, not as much in the amount of money it could spend.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35463531)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 5:27 PM
Author: Martin Prince (ETH tip jar: 0xB6BC7b257E294f49fAB12Fe1C2C499Be9315725B)

There's some real scholarship happening in this thread.

I think that's definitely CR. You still had industries in these towns (though it was already in decline). I'm sure there were plenty of rustbelt manufacturing executives who were plenty wealthy and powerful but just thought Kenny G and Olive Garden were "sophisticated."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35463567)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: ,,,,,,^

'Lexus' cars came out of this

whenever i think of that period, i think of this stereo i had that was painted w/ like grey *texture* paint, so it was almost like concrete-looking, so it looked... i don't know, understated and *sleek* and *modern*. and people had so many random black & white pictures hanging everywhere.

and commercials were randomly in 'tasteful' black & white, or Madonna videos, etc.

w/ a random NEON streak.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35463229)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 4:54 PM
Author: Baron Mark von Ironside

https://youtu.be/AktHnnA9QIM

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35463281)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: bigeastboy

I seem to recall a lot of sweater vests and curtain style hair.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35463230)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 4:59 PM
Author: .,.,,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:;:,...,:,.,.:..:.,:.::,.


You forgot about Michael Bolton! Also John Tesh and his radio show. Fuck the whole world felt like you were in a dentist office.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35463314)



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Date: March 1st, 2018 3:46 PM
Author: hurricane sandeep

that's a good description

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35515700)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 5:31 PM
Author: gaggle of IvyLeaguers from a Aaron Sorkin script

isn't this exactly what got remixed into vaporwave / city-wave

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35463596)



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Date: March 1st, 2018 3:47 PM
Author: hurricane sandeep

really miss these ranging HDSP discursions with liberal use of scare quotes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35515702)



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Date: March 1st, 2018 4:02 PM
Author: .;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;,


The “softer side of Sears” commercials were geared towards this demo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35515780)



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Date: March 1st, 2018 4:16 PM
Author: deus vult (from constantinople to the stars)

dont worry i realized there IS one momentary peak to encapsulate this entire idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_WuGDYawFQ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35515874)



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Date: March 1st, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: Hemidemisummerpumo

i'd say that one of the important way-markers in the development of this style was the song "Lily Was Here," by Candy Dulfer and Dave Stewart of the Eurythmics:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnTxmgWXt64

it was released in late-1989, and became a pop radio hit in the US in 1990. it was actually written as background music for a film, but by that time, the psychoemotional style described in this thread was ready to gobble it up on its own.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35515931)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 9:53 AM
Author: hurricane sandeep



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35519634)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 10:22 AM
Author: alias.php

The tv show thirtysomething (1987-1991) exists around this culture

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35519785)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 10:44 AM
Author: marshall mathers (askav)

is "the king of wishful thinking" a part of this? if not why not?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35519934)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 10:47 AM
Author: gedood persoon (£j£)

Yes, also In a Big Country

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35519944)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 10:50 AM
Author: Judas Jones



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35519962)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 10:51 AM
Author: hurricane sandeep

that's yacht rock

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35519969)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 10:47 AM
Author: Sickly argumentative UES Jew in puffy jacket

As mentioned already, this is the vaporwave aesthetic. Not that that's mainstream but it exists.

CHILI BOWL HAIRCUTS | BUTTON UP SILK SHIRTS | PAGERS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35519945)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 2:38 PM
Author: bowlcut autist

Lots of glass blocks http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901866&mc=47&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35521471)



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Date: March 26th, 2018 3:11 PM
Author: pulchritudinous succubi



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#35692917)



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Date: July 25th, 2018 7:06 PM
Author: marshall mathers (trapped in a cave called trump? (askav))



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#36496423)



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Date: July 25th, 2018 8:32 PM
Author: Coriolanus (STEM to Win)

I knew of some yuppies who had a Saab with the vanity plate SNAAB.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#36497043)



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Date: July 25th, 2018 9:16 PM
Author: Buck "The Club" Paulette

INFINITI ads with Jonathan Pryce, suave and highbrow as FUCK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO8kvg1IGn4&list=PL8XKK4U_sjfiYaavh5-vaNjF4AefyhFnF

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3899144&forum_id=2#36497336)